but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us that these weren't necessarily sophisticated terrorists, no it will a grand design orchestrated from overseas, they may be amateurs, but they're lethal amateurs. unfortunately, that's the kind of reality we're going to be dealing with for quite some time. >> david gregory, the administration, according to chuck todd, there was a previously scheduled national security council meeting today. we know secretary of state kerry was meeting with his mexican counterpart. and at this hour, to all of you google hangout fans he and i were supposed to be in a moderated conversation right now and they had to postpone th